请问台港那里可以买到Soloist/Solo Aid /Silent Partner Device ??

曼曼起舞 · 2007-03-06, 16:35

查知Wren有卖Solo时的自我保护器,想知道是否台港有卖或卖其它类似装备.
谢谢.

http://www.wrenindustries.com/index.html

Precision CNC Machining
Solo Climbing Devices
Rescue Tripod

Precision CNC Machining From Prototype to Production
Wren Industries is an ISO9001:2000 and AS9100b Certified precision machine shop located in Grand Junction, Colorado. Currently we have three CNC machining centers and one CNC lathe.

In addition to our CNC equipment, we have a variety of manual machines. All of our equipment is rigorously maintained to achieve the best cutting tolerance and least amount of downtime. Having multiple pallet machining centers allows us to do quick turn around work when needed. We have experience with all types of materials including stainless steels, exotic plastics and composites, and high speed machining of aluminum.

We are also a Type 7 firearms manufacturer, licensed with the BATF.
Wren Industries is a HubZone, Woman-Owned Small Business CAGE: 3EUD4
We pride ourselves in delivering quality parts on time!

Wren Industries also manufactures and distributes these fine products:

solo aid soloist silent partner arizona vortex
Manual feed device, that will lock even when inverted, increasing its ability to catch a head first fall. Directional cam allows rope to feed through automatically as climber advances, yet locks solidly in a fall. A speed sensitive device that feeds out rope while the climber advances, but quickly locks in any fall. A fixed A-frame design artificial high directional rescue tripod.

Wren Industries 970.254.8961 714-B Scarlet Drive, Grand Junction, Colorado 81505
Copyright 2006 Wren Industries, All Rights Reserved Site Design by Camrud Design

曼曼起舞 · 2007-03-06, 16:48

如果有人使用过可否分享一下使用心得?? 谢谢.

cmcssc · 2007-04-01, 22:51

臺,港地區應該買不到,請到接受國際訂單的網店購買.
我只用過soloist,其實工作原理跟Grigri是差不多的,只不過它可使用多種繩子穿法,來達到不同掣動效果,不過個人認為沒什麼必要.

曼曼起舞 · 2007-04-02, 00:36

引用:

作者: cmcssc

臺,港地區應該買不到,請到接受國際訂單的網店購買.
我只用過soloist,其實工作原理跟Grigri是差不多的,只不過它可使用多種繩子穿法,來達到不同掣動效果,不過個人認為沒什麼必要.

我有个朋友是攀冰狂，在没有绳伴的情况下，他会Free Solo 冰壁/冰瀑，但是危险性很高。曾有位老外在中国的攀冰天堂-双桥沟攀冰也是自己一人Free Solo 冰壁，但是用Solo Aid 作了额外的保护措施。从来没有其他岩友或攀冰的朋友听过这种装备。

我目前只知道在美国Ebay上有人拍卖过Soloist & Silent Partner，但是性价比和实用性是Solo Aid 较适合。

谢谢cmcssc提供的意见。

cmcssc · 2007-04-02, 13:10

Soloist和Solo Aid 工作原理幾乎相同,和其它裝備大廠一樣,是使用負重側在突然負重時旋轉凸輪會旋轉鎻定的設計,但是它們並不像我們常見的具有self-breaking的下降器具有釋放剎車的控制桿,所以使用上在solo要用solo的穿繩法,belay要用belay的穿繩法,但是在鎖定時的確實度不錯,也不傷繩,但是使用便利性不佳,價格競爭力不夠,加上生產廠商的產品線不夠齊全,所以能見度不高.
而Silent Partner更麻煩,要先打双套結套在中央滑輪上,而且規定要用兩個扣環連接吊帶,在突然負重時,類似機械剎車的原理會鎖住滑輪,利用双套結原理止住下滑,不過2佰多美金的售價和過大的體積,實在沒幾個人會用它.

曼曼起舞 · 2007-04-02, 14:03

对于一些装备狂来说
如果价钱还可以接受
希望能有机会使用没用过的 Soloist and Solo Aid
Silenet Partner的确太贵了
E-bay上拍卖的是使用过的但还蛮新的的二手货(Soloist /确Silenet Partner)

cmcssc .谢谢分享使用经验.

cmcssc · 2007-04-05, 11:41

忘了Soloist and Solo Aid 吧!真的不好用,介紹你另外兩個可以做為solo時的確保器
一個為singing rock春天將推出的產品,一個為USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER ,兩個的價錢差不多,都為80多美金,而且USHBA的產品80多美元為鈦合金製,鋁合金只要60多美元,從扣環固定孔和整體的比例你應該看的出來,大小頂多Soloist and Solo Aid 的一半大,外觀更不用說漂亮多了,工作原理也差不多,負重系數也差不多,USHB的產品我兩型都有買,也都測試過
(我體重72公斤,使用PMI的9mm動態繩,從4樓跳下,在2樓半時繩子拉緊,USHB夾繩很確實,除了繩子的慣性抖動之外,幾乎沒有位移,連跳四次,繩子沒受傷,USHB也沒受傷,只有和D環相接處有正常的磨痕),這又輕巧,又堅固的東西,品相又正,忘了那兩個醜八怪吧!

曼曼起舞 · 2007-04-05, 23:45

谢谢cmcssc 介绍这么棒的好东西
我那个攀冰狂/装备狂的朋友
要是知道了这两种确保器
以后也不须要在Free Solo爬冰壁/冰瀑上去挂顶绳
他肯定会做梦都在傻笑

可否告知这两种确保器是否只能在网上购买？？
能提供网址？？

cmcssc · 2007-04-06, 00:55

Singing Rock這款產品今年春天才開始供貨,消息是從官網得知,開賣後我再幫你注意.
USHB我是在http://www.mtntools.com/cat/rclimb/ascend/02ascend.html這家店所購買的,接受國際訂單,一般裝備還算齊全,風評不錯.
不過特別要注意一點,向國外網購貴在運費,盡量把一些要汰換的東西一次買齊,不然就幾個同好合買,分擔運費,不然你買一,二樣小東西,可能要付同樣價錢的運費,絕對划不來,切記,切記!

曼曼起舞 · 2007-04-06, 02:14

谢谢，基本上装备差不多齐全了
再看其它朋友是否能一起购买
平摊运费了

我朋友肯定乐歪了

jaxxhope@hotmail.com · 2007-05-19, 12:42

...CMCSSC说的这两个都是上升/下降器具,也就是说通过EN567和EN341标准,....当然你可以用来SOLO,顶绳SOLO的一般没问题,但最好不要用来FREE LEAD SOLO....AID的LEAD操作小心的话可以...但GRI-GRI或者CINCH之类的东西也可以有同样效果,我个人认为打孔改装过的GRI-GRI甚至更好......但注意,以上说的所有东西和WERN INDUSTRIES的三款装置都是不一样的..原理完全不同,他们通过了EN和UIAA的制动器操作标准,也就是说是专门为SOLO设计的....尤其是SILENT PARTNER可以很顺畅的做FREE SOLO.....因为FREE SOLO中给绳效率是一个很关键的因素......另外SILENT PARTNER可以不需要胸式安全带使用,并且设计和测试确认可以制动头向下的冲坠.......

话又说回来了...如果上是AID SOLO...我在A3一下从来不用SOLO装置....两个双套结的传统方式足够了.....FREE LEAD SOLO....目前没有任何东西可以超越SILENT PARTNER....虽然250美子是贵了点..哈哈

曼曼起舞 · 2007-05-21, 19:53

谢谢 jaxxhope@hotmail.com
我的朋友收益良多
谢谢乐于分享

jaxxhope@hotmail.com · 2007-05-22, 01:53

希望有机会可以一起玩,我现在住在英国SHEFFIELD....年底搬回国,我一直想在国内找个固定的攀搭档.......可否让你朋友和我联络?我的MSN jaxxhope@hotmail.com QQ 27221504.....

曼曼起舞 · 2007-05-29, 17:07

引用:

作者: cmcssc

忘了Soloist and Solo Aid 吧!真的不好用,介紹你另外兩個可以做為solo時的確保器
一個為singing rock春天將推出的產品,一個為USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER ,兩個的價錢差不多,都為80多美金,而且USHBA的產品80多美元為鈦合金製,鋁合金只要60多美元,從扣環固定孔和整體的比例你應該看的出來,大小頂多Soloist and Solo Aid 的一半大,外觀更不用說漂亮多了,工作原理也差不多,負重系數也差不多,USHB的產品我兩型都有買,也都測試過
(我體重72公斤,使用PMI的9mm動態繩,從4樓跳下,在2樓半時繩子拉緊,USHB夾繩很確實,除了繩子的慣性抖動之外,幾乎沒有位移,連跳四次,繩子沒受傷,USHB也沒受傷,只有和D環相接處有正常的磨痕),這又輕巧,又堅固的東西,品相又正,忘了那兩個醜八怪吧!

我的朋友在北京的桑温特户外店买到了USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER.,没人知道是何用途所以这个在店里放了好几年了,我朋友开心的直狂笑,准备要上USHBA的网站好好研究如何使用.
谢谢cmcssc. 他以后不必再Free Solo了.

kevin · 2007-05-29, 23:23

這篇是Climbing雜誌的文章, 如何用Grigri 自己 top-roping 獨攀.
http://climbing.org/showthread.php?t=2571

曼曼起舞 · 2007-05-30, 13:02

谢谢Kevin

不过我朋友主要是自己一个人攀冰先锋时需要Solo
经过研究USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER 的使用方式
好象USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER也只是适用于Top rope 而已.

jaxxhope@hotmail.com · 2007-06-04, 12:44

I thought I ve told you the USHBA piece of toy can only be used for top rope solo...only the Wern Industries makes specific devices for lead soloing at the moment, and the Slient Partner is at the top of the range....Soloist/Solo Aid/ and Slient Partner are cool stuff not to be missed..I spent years working with mountain guides and climbers in Yosemite, Alps, karakoram and Himalayas since these devieces have been invented, we've been using them alot and found them super useful...Silent Partner is THE PEIECE OF GEAR to buy if you are serious about Soloing......well all three devices can be used for other purposes as multi-function gear as well, you will find them useful for rope access, bigwall climbing, rescue and alot more....

by the way, the silent partner is the your best bet....unless you can get soloist/solo aid at super low price.....

曼曼起舞 · 2007-06-04, 13:40

jaxxhope,

Yes, thanks for your further explanation for silent partner/soloist/solo aid. The price of silent partner is super high indeed.... and maybe we can get the second hand silent partner from USA E-bay or can you recommend me how to get it at bargain price ??

2007-03-06, 16:35	#1
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	请问台港那里可以买到Soloist/Solo Aid /Silent Partner Device ?? 查知Wren有卖Solo时的自我保护器,想知道是否台港有卖或卖其它类似装备. 谢谢. http://www.wrenindustries.com/index.html Precision CNC Machining Solo Climbing Devices Rescue Tripod Precision CNC Machining From Prototype to Production Wren Industries is an ISO9001:2000 and AS9100b Certified precision machine shop located in Grand Junction, Colorado. Currently we have three CNC machining centers and one CNC lathe. In addition to our CNC equipment, we have a variety of manual machines. All of our equipment is rigorously maintained to achieve the best cutting tolerance and least amount of downtime. Having multiple pallet machining centers allows us to do quick turn around work when needed. We have experience with all types of materials including stainless steels, exotic plastics and composites, and high speed machining of aluminum. We are also a Type 7 firearms manufacturer, licensed with the BATF. Wren Industries is a HubZone, Woman-Owned Small Business CAGE: 3EUD4 We pride ourselves in delivering quality parts on time! Wren Industries also manufactures and distributes these fine products: solo aid soloist silent partner arizona vortex Manual feed device, that will lock even when inverted, increasing its ability to catch a head first fall. Directional cam allows rope to feed through automatically as climber advances, yet locks solidly in a fall. A speed sensitive device that feeds out rope while the climber advances, but quickly locks in any fall. A fixed A-frame design artificial high directional rescue tripod. Wren Industries 970.254.8961 714-B Scarlet Drive, Grand Junction, Colorado 81505 Copyright 2006 Wren Industries, All Rights Reserved Site Design by Camrud Design

2007-05-19, 12:42	#11
jaxxhope@hotmail.com 攀言新手註冊日期: 2007-05 住址: 北京 / SHEFFIELD 文章: 11	...CMCSSC说的这两个都是上升/下降器具,也就是说通过EN567和EN341标准,....当然你可以用来SOLO,顶绳SOLO的一般没问题,但最好不要用来FREE LEAD SOLO....AID的LEAD操作小心的话可以...但GRI-GRI或者CINCH之类的东西也可以有同样效果,我个人认为打孔改装过的GRI-GRI甚至更好......但注意,以上说的所有东西和WERN INDUSTRIES的三款装置都是不一样的..原理完全不同,他们通过了EN和UIAA的制动器操作标准,也就是说是专门为SOLO设计的....尤其是SILENT PARTNER可以很顺畅的做FREE SOLO.....因为FREE SOLO中给绳效率是一个很关键的因素......另外SILENT PARTNER可以不需要胸式安全带使用,并且设计和测试确认可以制动头向下的冲坠....... 话又说回来了...如果上是AID SOLO...我在A3一下从来不用SOLO装置....两个双套结的传统方式足够了.....FREE LEAD SOLO....目前没有任何东西可以超越SILENT PARTNER....虽然250美子是贵了点..哈哈 __________________ I work for SoWh@t Expedition as mountain guide and expedition leader, we run expedition funded by major brands year round. We are a UIAA register non-profit organization, please check www.karakoramlinkup.info for membership and other details.

2007-05-22, 01:53	#13
jaxxhope@hotmail.com 攀言新手註冊日期: 2007-05 住址: 北京 / SHEFFIELD 文章: 11	希望有机会可以一起玩,我现在住在英国SHEFFIELD....年底搬回国,我一直想在国内找个固定的攀搭档.......可否让你朋友和我联络?我的MSN jaxxhope@hotmail.com QQ 27221504..... __________________ I work for SoWh@t Expedition as mountain guide and expedition leader, we run expedition funded by major brands year round. We are a UIAA register non-profit organization, please check www.karakoramlinkup.info for membership and other details.

2007-05-29, 23:23	#15
kevin 論壇管理員註冊日期: 2001-11 文章: 1042 部落格文章: 1	這篇是Climbing雜誌的文章, 如何用Grigri 自己 top-roping 獨攀. http://climbing.org/showthread.php?t=2571 __________________ 台灣攀岩資料庫

2007-06-04, 12:44	#17
jaxxhope@hotmail.com 攀言新手註冊日期: 2007-05 住址: 北京 / SHEFFIELD 文章: 11	I thought I ve told you the USHBA piece of toy can only be used for top rope solo...only the Wern Industries makes specific devices for lead soloing at the moment, and the Slient Partner is at the top of the range....Soloist/Solo Aid/ and Slient Partner are cool stuff not to be missed..I spent years working with mountain guides and climbers in Yosemite, Alps, karakoram and Himalayas since these devieces have been invented, we've been using them alot and found them super useful...Silent Partner is THE PEIECE OF GEAR to buy if you are serious about Soloing......well all three devices can be used for other purposes as multi-function gear as well, you will find them useful for rope access, bigwall climbing, rescue and alot more.... by the way, the silent partner is the your best bet....unless you can get soloist/solo aid at super low price..... __________________ I work for SoWh@t Expedition as mountain guide and expedition leader, we run expedition funded by major brands year round. We are a UIAA register non-profit organization, please check www.karakoramlinkup.info for membership and other details.

2007-03-06, 16:48	#2
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	如果有人使用过可否分享一下使用心得?? 谢谢.

2007-04-01, 22:51	#3
cmcssc 攀言新手註冊日期: 2006-09 文章: 12	臺,港地區應該買不到,請到接受國際訂單的網店購買. 我只用過soloist,其實工作原理跟Grigri是差不多的,只不過它可使用多種繩子穿法,來達到不同掣動效果,不過個人認為沒什麼必要.

2007-04-02, 13:10	#5
cmcssc 攀言新手註冊日期: 2006-09 文章: 12	Soloist和Solo Aid 工作原理幾乎相同,和其它裝備大廠一樣,是使用負重側在突然負重時旋轉凸輪會旋轉鎻定的設計,但是它們並不像我們常見的具有self-breaking的下降器具有釋放剎車的控制桿,所以使用上在solo要用solo的穿繩法,belay要用belay的穿繩法,但是在鎖定時的確實度不錯,也不傷繩,但是使用便利性不佳,價格競爭力不夠,加上生產廠商的產品線不夠齊全,所以能見度不高. 而Silent Partner更麻煩,要先打双套結套在中央滑輪上,而且規定要用兩個扣環連接吊帶,在突然負重時,類似機械剎車的原理會鎖住滑輪,利用双套結原理止住下滑,不過2佰多美金的售價和過大的體積,實在沒幾個人會用它.

2007-04-02, 14:03	#6
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	对于一些装备狂来说如果价钱还可以接受希望能有机会使用没用过的 Soloist and Solo Aid Silenet Partner的确太贵了 E-bay上拍卖的是使用过的但还蛮新的的二手货(Soloist /确Silenet Partner) cmcssc .谢谢分享使用经验.

2007-04-05, 11:41	#7
cmcssc 攀言新手註冊日期: 2006-09 文章: 12	忘了Soloist and Solo Aid 吧!真的不好用,介紹你另外兩個可以做為solo時的確保器一個為singing rock春天將推出的產品,一個為USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER ,兩個的價錢差不多,都為80多美金,而且USHBA的產品80多美元為鈦合金製,鋁合金只要60多美元,從扣環固定孔和整體的比例你應該看的出來,大小頂多Soloist and Solo Aid 的一半大,外觀更不用說漂亮多了,工作原理也差不多,負重系數也差不多,USHB的產品我兩型都有買,也都測試過 (我體重72公斤,使用PMI的9mm動態繩,從4樓跳下,在2樓半時繩子拉緊,USHB夾繩很確實,除了繩子的慣性抖動之外,幾乎沒有位移,連跳四次,繩子沒受傷,USHB也沒受傷,只有和D環相接處有正常的磨痕),這又輕巧,又堅固的東西,品相又正,忘了那兩個醜八怪吧!

2007-04-05, 23:45	#8
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	谢谢cmcssc 介绍这么棒的好东西我那个攀冰狂/装备狂的朋友要是知道了这两种确保器以后也不须要在Free Solo爬冰壁/冰瀑上去挂顶绳他肯定会做梦都在傻笑可否告知这两种确保器是否只能在网上购买？？能提供网址？？

2007-04-06, 00:55	#9
cmcssc 攀言新手註冊日期: 2006-09 文章: 12	Singing Rock這款產品今年春天才開始供貨,消息是從官網得知,開賣後我再幫你注意. USHB我是在http://www.mtntools.com/cat/rclimb/ascend/02ascend.html這家店所購買的,接受國際訂單,一般裝備還算齊全,風評不錯. 不過特別要注意一點,向國外網購貴在運費,盡量把一些要汰換的東西一次買齊,不然就幾個同好合買,分擔運費,不然你買一,二樣小東西,可能要付同樣價錢的運費,絕對划不來,切記,切記!

2007-04-06, 02:14	#10
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	谢谢，基本上装备差不多齐全了再看其它朋友是否能一起购买平摊运费了我朋友肯定乐歪了

2007-05-21, 19:53	#12
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	谢谢 jaxxhope@hotmail.com 我的朋友收益良多谢谢乐于分享

2007-05-30, 13:02	#16
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	谢谢Kevin 不过我朋友主要是自己一个人攀冰先锋时需要Solo 经过研究USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER 的使用方式好象USHBA的BASIC ASCENDER也只是适用于Top rope 而已.

2007-06-04, 13:40	#18
曼曼起舞中度攀言者註冊日期: 2006-12 住址: 中国上海文章: 112	jaxxhope, Yes, thanks for your further explanation for silent partner/soloist/solo aid. The price of silent partner is super high indeed.... and maybe we can get the second hand silent partner from USA E-bay or can you recommend me how to get it at bargain price ??